Yup, more info will be coming on them as things settled down and I figure out a good place to explain it. Yup, Kurds and Sikhs have their own place, but things not done yet, especially for the Kurds.
Soviet Union is gonna definitely change.
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Soviet Union is gonna definitely change.
WanderingProfessor
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With regards to the Soviets, they might be lucky as the August Coup could be averted given the butterflies created by this timeline and they could reform into the Union of Sovereign States as originally intended. They won't have Georgia, Armenia, Moldova or the Baltic states for various reasons but at least they'll still exist and avoid some of the problems that plagued Russia in OTL.
WanderingProfessor
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Assuming if they do, the USSR would survive in a different form and they have far less strained relations with Georgia or Moldova since Gorbachev and his successors would want peace over war in certain breakaway regions such as Abkhazia or Transnistria.
On the topic of the United Citizens Party, they might do better in the 1992 election than OTL with Perot actually winning a few states and launching a viable third party alternative to the Democrats and Republicans.
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Summer 1991: New Governments
The summer of 1991 would prove that the year would become quite a famous for the beginning of much political activity though also the sparks for upcoming future conflicts. The formation of Khalistan immedately following the secession of the Indian Punjab and the annexation of the Pakistani Punjab caught much of the world by surprise. While foreign offices were working overtime for this, the new Khalistani provisional government assembled help from various nations, including the Canadians, Americans, British and others for financial investment, aid and the like. The new Khalistan political system would become a federal parliamentary republic seemed to be the case, though some news would come from which system it would use. While initially, the "first past the post" system was considered, some of the Khalistani officials looked intrigued by the Irish's electoral system, namely their use of instant run-off voting for the election of their president and for their legislation, (least their lower house), a single-transferable vote system. Many suspected that this was from how it could potentially ensure some level of peace and representation among the minority groups and in fact, even the Askew Administration found it encouraging for Khalistan to use. Other questions remained such as Sindh's integration into Khalistan (likely as an autonomous territory with special privilages), the language, flag and so on, to be decided throughout the upcoming months.
While India could do little except deal with their own election along with the upcoming economic concerns, especially with the Rajiv government's final action, namely securing gold from the IMF albeit by having to mortage a good portion of the nation's gold, airlifting it out of various locations, much to public shock and outcry. However, as a new Indian Prime Minister would come into power, other nations saw as an opportunity for potential investment, especially as the Janata Dal would begin various economic program, including loosening various restrictions and likely scrapping the "License Raj". Though the details as to what to replace India's economic model was being examined. Interviews noted how India's large skepticism toward capitalist ventures was due to the centuries' long history of being exploited by the British, especially regarding the East India Company. As such, it would be a slow process of looking over what could be privatized and looking at various economic models that could work. Gorbachev's NEP 2.0 program was one key source that was being examined and India even examined the notes of other nations' such as Yugoslavia, do see what they could learn from their successes and failures regarding economic policy, what could be privatized and so on. Foreign investors were also of note into here, especially Europe. At the same time, the Americans were also keen on working with India, though primarily also to ensure peaceful cooperation with Khalistan. The main focus with them along with help from Canada was expanding nuclear power usage, to ween India off of coal usage, much in the same way the US is beginning to work on with China.
Fatos Nano would resign as Prime Minister of Albania following a nationwide strike. President of Albania Ramiz Alia appoints Ylli Bufi as his successor. Just days later, the Party of Labour of Albania is dissolved and succeeded by the Socialist Party of Albania, marking the end of communist rule in Albania. [1] Regarding the strike itself would remind nations around the world regarding the power of the people. One prominent group that was paying attention to this was none other than the Turkish Kurds, who continued their mobilization against the Turkish government. Tensions have gotten worse, especially with Halil Turgut Özal's loss, as his attempts at compromise with the Armenians and Kurds cost him points with his own party and the military and it was also worried that NATO may suspend Turkey's membership, especially with it looking like it will be less needed given the situation with the Soviets. Continuing on with what is going on in Yugoslavia, Croatia and Slovenia declare their independence from them. On a brighter note though, the beginning of June would see South Africa repeal the last legal foundations of apartheid, and thus really set the stage for the election next year. [1] Meanwhile, in more political news, Ethiopia would finally begin its transition to a new form of government though already concerns have been popping up with how the EPRDF would conduct matters, especially how the requirement of ethnic-based parties was bringing to mind matters regarding Yugoslavia and how a lack of cooperation o focus led to the events of Khalistan. The US did not give any support over to the EPRDF, showing concern over the restrictions that the EPRDF, in their "National Conference on Peace and Reconciliation" was trying to shape matters in their direction without giving say to the people. [2] This led to the US attempting to give pressure over to the new Transitional Government of Ethiopia to remove their restriction on the participation on ethnic-based parties. One party that was wanting on this was that of Moa Anbessa, a monarchist party for the restoration of the crown and the creation of a consitutional monarchy, with supporters for Amha Selassie being gathered over in the area and forming a coalition of sorts, including some growing support of foreign nations. [3]
But perhaps most of all would be in August, with the big bit of news coming over from Moscow...
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[1]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991
[2]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_Government_of_Ethiopia
[3]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amha_Selassie
WanderingProfessor
Banned
Gorbachev is executing the New Economic Policy and it might be an indication that the Soviet Union reforms into the Union of Sovereign States.
The summer of 1991 would prove that the year would become quite a famous for the beginning of much political activity though also the sparks for upcoming future conflicts. The formation of Khalistan immedately following the secession of the Indian Punjab and the annexation of the Pakistani Punjab caught much of the world by surprise. While foreign offices were working overtime for this, the new Khalistani provisional government assembled help from various nations, including the Canadians, Americans, British and others for financial investment, aid and the like. The new Khalistan political system would become a federal parliamentary republic seemed to be the case, though some news would come from which system it would use. While initially, the "first past the post" system was considered, some of the Khalistani officials looked intrigued by the Irish's electoral system, namely their use of instant run-off voting for the election of their president and for their legislation, (least their lower house), a single-transferable vote system. Many suspected that this was from how it could potentially ensure some level of peace and representation among the minority groups and in fact, even the Askew Administration found it encouraging for Khalistan to use. Other questions remained such as Sindh's integration into Khalistan (likely as an autonomous territory with special privilages), the language, flag and so on, to be decided throughout the upcoming months.
While India could do little except deal with their own election along with the upcoming economic concerns, especially with the Rajiv government's final action, namely securing gold from the IMF albeit by having to mortage a good portion of the nation's gold, airlifting it out of various locations, much to public shock and outcry. However, as a new Indian Prime Minister would come into power, other nations saw as an opportunity for potential investment, especially as the Janata Dal would begin various economic program, including loosening various restrictions and likely scrapping the "License Raj". Though the details as to what to replace India's economic model was being examined. Interviews noted how India's large skepticism toward capitalist ventures was due to the centuries' long history of being exploited by the British, especially regarding the East India Company. As such, it would be a slow process of looking over what could be privatized and looking at various economic models that could work. Gorbachev's NEP 2.0 program was one key source that was being examined and India even examined the notes of other nations' such as Yugoslavia, do see what they could learn from their successes and failures regarding economic policy, what could be privatized and so on. Foreign investors were also of note into here, especially Europe. At the same time, the Americans were also keen on working with India, though primarily also to ensure peaceful cooperation with Khalistan. The main focus with them along with help from Canada was expanding nuclear power usage, to ween India off of coal usage, much in the same way the US is beginning to work on with China.
Fatos Nano would resign as Prime Minister of Albania following a nationwide strike. President of Albania Ramiz Alia appoints Ylli Bufi as his successor. Just days later, the Party of Labour of Albania is dissolved and succeeded by the Socialist Party of Albania, marking the end of communist rule in Albania. [1] Regarding the strike itself would remind nations around the world regarding the power of the people. One prominent group that was paying attention to this was none other than the Turkish Kurds, who continued their mobilization against the Turkish government. Tensions have gotten worse, especially with Halil Turgut Özal's loss, as his attempts at compromise with the Armenians and Kurds cost him points with his own party and the military and it was also worried that NATO may suspend Turkey's membership, especially with it looking like it will be less needed given the situation with the Soviets. Continuing on with what is going on in Yugoslavia, Croatia and Slovenia declare their independence from them. On a brighter note though, the beginning of June would see South Africa repeal the last legal foundations of apartheid, and thus really set the stage for the election next year. [1] Meanwhile, in more political news, Ethiopia would finally begin its transition to a new form of government though already concerns have been popping up with how the EPRDF would conduct matters, especially how the requirement of ethnic-based parties was bringing to mind matters regarding Yugoslavia and how a lack of cooperation o focus led to the events of Khalistan. The US did not give any support over to the EPRDF, showing concern over the restrictions that the EPRDF, in their "National Conference on Peace and Reconciliation" was trying to shape matters in their direction without giving say to the people. [2] This led to the US attempting to give pressure over to the new Transitional Government of Ethiopia to remove their restriction on the participation on ethnic-based parties. One party that was wanting on this was that of Moa Anbessa, a monarchist party for the restoration of the crown and the creation of a consitutional monarchy, with supporters for Amha Selassie being gathered over in the area and forming a coalition of sorts, including some growing support of foreign nations. [3]
But perhaps most of all would be in August, with the big bit of news coming over from Moscow...
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[1]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991
[2]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_Government_of_Ethiopia
[3]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amha_Selassie
Gorbachev's NEP 2.0 has been done since when he got into power in the mid 1980s... it's what allows him to be more successful than OTL with the economy and he's able to do so because without Afghanistan War
WanderingProfessor
Banned
This bodes well for the Soviet Union's chances of surviving post-Cold War since they don't have a conflict in Afghanistan and the NEP was more successful.
I'll start giving glimpses to their future and the future of the American politics throughout what's going on. Which is quite alot.
I'll also start posting country profiles, which people could make into infoboxes
Well, we will see. No one has tried making guesses and not sure anyone would get close
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1991- The New Union Treaty
1991- The New Union Treaty
The threat of a coup from his own party or out of it grew further in Gorbachev's mind as the New Union Treaty project was continuing to unfurl. By the beginning of the summer, the feedback had changed it. Rather than just reforming the USSR, it would be forming a successor state to it. It would turn the former USSR into a confederate republic of sorts, with the details still being hammered out on governance, resource distribution and other factors that would need to be considered. All while he needed to deal with a growing chaotic opposition against him, especially one that is coming from multiple sides. For example, he would end up clashing with rising political star Boris Yeltsin, who had his own political ambitions, including trying to assume a potential presdiency over in Russia. However, despite gaining reputation as a defiant rebel within the political sphere of Russia, Gorbachev's continued success, especially with the NEP 2.0 program as it would be called, would allow him to maintain power in the people and he would eventually manage to side-line Yeltsin to where his influence and popularity would begin to decline. All the while he wa trying to balance out the various issues, such as with the media. While freedom of the press was granted and there was a growing plan to restructure the public media, it was also trying to balance it with trying to keep the nation stable. A trend noted was how more inflammatory for-profit newsmedia worked, mainly for the sake of selling more papers and grabbing attention, something both the US and USSR once discussed as part of a subject on growing media interconnectivity.
Regardless, this connection would prove invaluable over to Gorbachev. Armed with the information he was given by the Americans, he would began accelerating his program in reforming the USSR and waiting for the would-be coup plotters to come out. Perhaps the only thing that caught him off-guard was how unorganized the coup attempt would be, at least in its planning. The group of individuals would be caught thanks to recording equipment and they would be charged heavily with treason, with trying overthrow the government and keep him from enacting his plans. However, out of concern that they were not acting alone, Gorbachev would have his men press them for any and all info on anyone else who would've shared such sentiments as they did. Though going beyond just the hardliners, he also pressed for further information, namely on anyone who would be a potential threat. Before long, they would crack and give out various names and what they knew, to anyone that could possibly be linked. Gorbachev would use this to cast out his fishing net and widening his search.
Not just politicians, but other persons of interest who would possess a threat to his plans such as "buisnessmen" who smuggled things via a black market or imported goods illegally for ill-gotten gains during the early years of his attempts at reform. These figures, Gorbachav surmised, would become threats to the stability to the new nation through potential financial scheming or the like. As such, he would beginning outlining a plan to try add find and search for these individuals before they would put any large sway over onto the USSR's successor state.
However, despite the disorganized coup attempt, it would still be notified and with it,Gorbachev's efforts to try and investigate the whole of the Party, looking for the names given by the would-be conspirators or those that would be suspected of being accomplices for such a means. The surprising show of Gorbachav was enough for a good chunk of the hardliners and others not in alignment or agreement with him to jump ship or take deals, with the goals of being left alone by the state, albeit with the caveat of no longer having involvement with politics. This along with a few other groups would be kept up in the sweeping. For some, this had a substantial boost of popularity for Gorbachev for providing some form of safety and promise. For others though, especially on the fence, they would begin planning their own leaving attempts.
August 27, 1991 would be when the treaty would be signed. Over the next 8-16 months, a transition would begin from the old state of things to a new state, from moving the capital to the decentralization to the restructuring of the government along with some plans for voting on leadership to even things like flag designs... While Azerbaijan and Ukraine would leave because of their second thoughts, the others would remain together and the former two could even rejoin easily back during the transistional period.
Gone was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics... and in its place was the State Union of Sovereign Republics...
Now was the time of the Sovereign Union
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WanderingProfessor
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I knew it! The USSR continues to exist (sort of) as the Union of Sovereign Republics. For any republics that didn't sign the New Union Treaty, Gorbachev would want to bring them back and some such as the Baltics won't but others like Armenia or Georgia could provided the Soviets resolve disputes with local ethnic groups and avoid causing any provocative moves or scandals. It won't happen overnight but probably in the next two decades as a slow but steady process.
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Well, as the SUSR... I got the name idea from how the State Union of Serbia & Montenegro was, hence the State Union of Sovereign Republics.
Ehhh... as for the others, well, we'll see. Armenia and Georgia were already dead-set on leaving and well, they wll be undergoing some turbulent stuff. Ukraine will be... a bit tricky to do though I will see that the wild card that will affect things will be the Crimean Tatars... any input there would be appreciated.
WanderingProfessor
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Armenia and Georgia were part of the USSR and would have been content to do so under TTL's Gorbachev. However, the Soviets refused to hand over the Armenian region of Nagorno-Karabakh and the conservative leadership alienated Georgians from communism not helping was the April 9 Tbilisi Tragedy where 21 people were killed. Now Gorbachev would try to reconcile with both former republics and may succeed in bringing them back so he wouldn't want to back Azerbaijan or South Ossetia and Abkhazia for that matter. For Moldova, this was due to some tensions with the pro-Soviet Gagauz and the denizens of Transnistria. Obviously, Gorbachev won't try to extend recognition to Gagauzia or Transnistria to appear more friendly to the Moldovan government for the same reasons as Armenia and Georgia. The Baltics were already leaving as early as 1988 and they won't accept being brought back into the Union even under the most favorable circumstances given the illegal Soviet occupation since 1939.
I mean, I already had them begin leaving by this time or so, especially with what I have planned here. The War with Nagorno-Kaabakh is far from over and things are gonna get more hectic there. Any guesses to what would be the SUSR's new capital?
WanderingProfessor
Banned
I think Moscow would be the logical choice since it is the largest city in the USSR/SUSR. And for Armenia and Georgia, bringing them back will be a slow and arduous process as I said.
So, a surviving USSR, but, with a new name. New captial, instead of Moscow, Leningrad, or any other large city. Any ideas?