Indonesia ATL: The Presidency of Try Sutrisno (1997-)

Made India more pushy about Indonesia evacuating Shwe Mann and Co.
That sounds about right. But still if the news leaks the Vajpayee government is still in big trouble and the only way to survive is to show a tangible gain oil, trade deal, etc.

Regarding the George Fernandes part I found a man who would be expendable without risking the Vajpayee government i.e. President K. R. Narayanan if he agrees which he should as if successful it would be his last feather in his cap before he fades into political irrelevancy (Indian Presidents after the first two position holders are generally politically irrelevant of ones who have faded into irrelevancy). He is a man from the previous administration and due to retire by 25th July.

But if Try is re-elected and so does Vajpayee in 2004 would this be the start of a budding partnership maybe extending into multiple dimensions in the future.
New Delhi-Jakarta commercial flight.
😜An odd nitpick - we didn't have a direct New Delhi-Jakarta back then or rather till date, which is surprising as two so large countries so close doesn't have that even 5 years ago we didn't have a direct India to Indonesia flight. So it has to be a chartered one drawing attention or a butterfly 🦋 effect.
Clue 2: Try begins keeping count of something numbering around 30,000 after the meeting.
Of all the people to manage the tranfer of the evacuees why he? Not that he is incompetent or anything but why was he handpicked?


The alliance of PPP and PKPI, 2 of the 4 parties almost makes their win certain so why didn't PNI and PKPB didn't even consider an alliance? Or do they have secret contingency plans to use after the elections?
 
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Clue 1: No need for him to attend because it’s not actually about the general situation that the meeting’s talking about.

Clue 2: Try begins keeping count of something numbering around 30,000 after the meeting.
Tbh for some reason the chapter felt more intense when the number 30.000 start appearing and when ABRI start what would essentially be the most massive air lift (maybe not only air lift but also sea lift) operation that the country will went through. Not only massive but also need to be shrouded in secrecy. Also with the election on the horizon it weirdly gave a vague feeling of intense there because when you read the part where Prabowo thankfull that Try got hold up responsibilities (even though he have no knowledge how intense it is).
 
That sounds about right. But still if the news leaks the Vajpayee government is still in big trouble and the only way to survive is to show a tangible gain oil, trade deal, etc.

Regarding the George Fernandes part I found a man who would be expendable without risking the Vajpayee government i.e. President K. R. Narayanan if he agrees which he should as if successful it would be his last feather in his cap before he fades into political irrelevancy (Indian Presidents after the first two position holders are generally politically irrelevant of ones who have faded into irrelevancy). He is a man from the previous administration and due to retire by 25th July.

But if Try is re-elected and so does Vajpayee in 2004 would this be the start of a budding partnership maybe extending into multiple dimensions in the future.

😜An odd nitpick - we didn't have a direct New Delhi-Jakarta back then or rather till date, which is surprising as two so large countries so close doesn't have that even 5 years ago we didn't have a direct India to Indonesia flight. So it has to be a chartered one drawing attention or a butterfly 🦋 effect.

Of all the people to manage the tranfer of the evacuees why he? Not that he is incompetent or anything but why was he handpicked?


The alliance of PPP and PKPI, 2 of the 4 parties almost makes their win certain so why didn't PNI and PKPB didn't even consider an alliance? Or do they have secret contingency plans to use after the elections?
Tbh in the story if both Try and Vajpayee got re elected there is so many potential could happen for a closer relationship. I mean in the story we could see that Atl Indonesia and India communicate more then IRL so a closer relationship is a possibility.
 
😜An odd nitpick - we didn't have a direct New Delhi-Jakarta back then or rather till date, which is surprising as two so large countries so close doesn't have that even 5 years ago we didn't have a direct India to Indonesia flight. So it has to be a chartered one drawing attention or a butterfly 🦋 effect.
Maybe Port Blair-Banda Aceh flight?
 
That sounds about right. But still if the news leaks the Vajpayee government is still in big trouble and the only way to survive is to show a tangible gain oil, trade deal, etc.

Regarding the George Fernandes part I found a man who would be expendable without risking the Vajpayee government i.e. President K. R. Narayanan if he agrees which he should as if successful it would be his last feather in his cap before he fades into political irrelevancy (Indian Presidents after the first two position holders are generally politically irrelevant of ones who have faded into irrelevancy). He is a man from the previous administration and due to retire by 25th July.

But if Try is re-elected and so does Vajpayee in 2004 would this be the start of a budding partnership maybe extending into multiple dimensions in the future.

😜An odd nitpick - we didn't have a direct New Delhi-Jakarta back then or rather till date, which is surprising as two so large countries so close doesn't have that even 5 years ago we didn't have a direct India to Indonesia flight. So it has to be a chartered one drawing attention or a butterfly 🦋 effect.

Of all the people to manage the tranfer of the evacuees why he? Not that he is incompetent or anything but why was he handpicked?


The alliance of PPP and PKPI, 2 of the 4 parties almost makes their win certain so why didn't PNI and PKPB didn't even consider an alliance? Or do they have secret contingency plans to use after the elections?

Yes, Narayanan makes sense. It's the King of Malaysia's coronation, it should be a head of state that goes rather than a member of the government.

You're saying Narayanan is the one that takes the fall if anything happens rather than Vajpayee? I'm just reading the article on the President of India, it turns it's not as passive a position as I thought it would be. It would make sense if Narayanan backs it, his wife is from Myanmar and seems to struggle hiding her distaste for the Myanmar regime. https://www.burmalibrary.org/reg.burma/archives/200011/msg00084.html

I haven't decided how long Vajpayee will last. But OTL, was there any difference in foreign policy stance between the BTP and the Indian National Congress?

Hmm...no direct flights between New Delhi and Jakarta. I'm just wondering how best to get the advance team to Jakarta so they can coordinate etc. The departure point from India will be Kolkata, will revise that soon. Yes, given India and Indonesia's close relations ITTL, Vajpayee and Try are due to meet again.

It's not Try or Anthony Salim who will oversee the evacuation. Try is just making a note of the numbers of evacuees left.

No spoilers on what the PNI and the PKPB will do after the election. It will be difficult for them to join in a coalition, though. Megawati and Tutut wants the presidency too much.
 
Obviously Mann relocation takes all the lights, but i have some other questions:

The enhanced Inalum Aluminium Smelter, will put Indonesia as a net Aluminium exporter? Or Indonesia absorbs most of the production?
 
You're saying Narayanan is the one that takes the fall if anything happens rather than Vajpayee?
His wife hates the junta and he has nothing to lose if he takes the fall. Just a momentary outburst of criticism before the new President takes charge and he fades into irrelevancy as is the norm but if he makes India get something for it then he gets a massive political capital and can have some relevancy for a short time in future politics.
I haven't decided how long Vajpayee will last. But OTL, was there any difference in foreign policy stance between the BTP and the Indian National Congress?
Both the parties favour a non aligned approach but INC leans more towards Russia and Europe whereas the BJP leans towards Europe, USA and Israel. But that was with Putin but with Primakov restarting the Cold War in a way and aligning with China it is likely to push India westwards sooner. There is still time and some meaningful gains that sways just 2-5% more of voters is enough to secure him in 2004. If you decide on that course of action I can assist you in the future.
I'm just reading the article on the President of India, it turns it's not as passive a position as I thought it would be.
That's why I used the words the first two presidents in the previous post and a third Giani Zail Singh used in the only instant to date a nuclear weapon which is pocket veto which is indefinitely postponing action on a bill which his nether assent or refuse assent to a bill passed by the parliament, the President can effectively veto it. The Presidency in India has for the most part relegated to figureheads, who occasionally return bills for reconsideration by the parliament and other things.
Hmm...no direct flights between New Delhi and Jakarta. I'm just wondering how best to get the advance team to Jakarta so they can coordinate etc. The departure point from India will be Kolkata, will revise that soon.
Either Garuda Indonesia or Air India has to step up to start a direct flight but if the evacuation is to by means of military aircraft then Guwahati is the better option.
 
Obviously Mann relocation takes all the lights, but i have some other questions:

The enhanced Inalum Aluminium Smelter, will put Indonesia as a net Aluminium exporter? Or Indonesia absorbs most of the production?
It will be absorbed domestically. Going to be exploring what's possible as far as industrial development, specifically building downstream industries, are concerned (ie. Processing bauxite into aluminium in smelters rather than exporting it raw.

Thank you very much for the notes @Rajveer Naha.
 
Somewhat off topic but I saw Try on TV for the first time right now, he looks really old now.
Yes. He has come to a point where he is very much looking his age (86). But back when he was the VP and especially he's sitting next to Soeharto, he was always looking younger than his age. He is 14 years younger than Soeharto but could easily pass for someone who's 20 years younger than Soeharto.

ITTL, I would say part of the reason why there was not much sentiment for political change, in addition to the way he handled the economy, was because he looked younger than his age and visually at least, represents regeneration or renewal in the nation's leadership. If it had been someone like Sudharmono who succeeded to the presidency (ie. someone with more grey hair) there'll still be some clamoring for change.
 
Both the parties favour a non-aligned approach but INC leans more towards Russia and Europe whereas the BJP leans towards Europe, USA and Israel. But that was with Putin but with Primakov restarting the Cold War in a way and aligning with China it is likely to push India westwards sooner. There is still time and some meaningful gains that sways just 2-5% more of voters is enough to secure him in 2004. If you decide on that course of action I can assist you in the future.
Even with an earlier resurgent Russia under Primakov (and I have to assume Putin after 2008), I don't see Indian military relations being that different from OTL since:
  • Krivak III/Talwar-clas frigate deal was signed in 1997
  • BrahMos joint development started in 1998
  • Su-30 MKI deal was signed in 2000
  • T-90 deal was signed in 2001
  • Admiral Gorshkov/INS Vikramaditya deal was signed in January 2004
I also see no reason for India not agreeing to join the Su-57 development in 2006 or to lease an Akula-class submarine in 2012 and refusing to buy S-400s in 2016.
 
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1st May 2002 (Day 15 of the Election Campaign):
In South Sulawesi, PKPB DPR Candidate Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin criticized the government for not appreciating the people of South Sulawesi. Sjafrie said that this “is the government that sidelined BJ Habibie, this is the government that removed Jusuf Kalla”. Meanwhile, in East Java, the PNI went for another activist style campaign, this time with PNI DPR Candidate Agus Jabo Priyono promising that a future government led by the PNI will complete investigation into the Marsinah case.

The President met with Harsudiono Hartas, Minister of Finance Mar’ie Muhammad, Minister of Mining and Energy Djiteng Marsudi, and State Secretary Edi Sudrajat. The four reported the latest development from negotiations with PT. Freeport Indonesia. Djiteng said that Freeport was willing to agree to all but one of the terms offered by the President; namely the terms regarding royalties. Freeport is offering 5% for copper, 4.5% for gold, and 4.25% for silver. The President considered this carefully.

“6% for copper, 5.5% for gold, and 5.25% for silver”, said the President “And…a guarantee in the contract that unless they are doing something illegal or something that clearly endangers this country, the government will not close down Freeport’s mines.”

The President also met with Minister of Foreign Affairs Ginandjar Kartasasmita. The latter reported that the Indian Government has accepted the plan that the Government had submitted to them. Ginandjar said that the Indian Government has allocated the Kolkata and Gawahati Airbases in Northeastern India for Indonesia’s aircrafts to land in. Finally, Ginandjar reported that the Indonesian Embassy in India are beginning to transport Shwe Mann’s soldiers and their families who will be departing by ship to Kolkata.

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2nd May 2002 (Day 16 of the Election Campaign):
At the ABRI Headquarters, Commander of ABRI Wiranto returned from a morning meeting with the President with a single sentence for the officers gathered there: “We have the President’s authorization for Operation Chinthe”. Campaigning in Jakarta, PNI DPR Candidate Jacob Nuwa Wea reminded his audience that the government had not raised the minimum wage in 3 years. Nuwa Wea says he suspects that the Workplace Law the government is drafting will not be beneficial for workers and calls for the government to wait until the new DPR term when there will be PNI representation in the DPR.

The President, accompanied by Minister of Education Fakry Gaffar held a luncheon for a group of vocational students, junior high school students, and children who are enrolled to attend state kindergartens in the next school year from all around the country at the Presidential Palace. This being the National Education Day. In his speech, the President said that the government remains committed not only to achieve 9-year compulsory education by 2004 but also beyond that to a 9+1 compulsory education and to more young Indonesians choosing to attend vocational schools.

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6 long-bodied C-130 Hercules containing 100 passengers each. All 6 making one round-way trip during the night to avoid attention; the Air Force trying to estimate how many trips they can make, how fast they can move and how much they can avoid attention. Meanwhile KM Bukit Siguntang, KM Umsini and the Kolinlamil’s KRI Tanjung Kambani escorted by 3 Ahmad Yani-Class Frigates continue to steam for Kolkata.

3rd May 2002 (Day 17 of the Election Campaign):
At the Presidential Palace, there was Friday Prayer followed by a working lunch as the President accompanied by Edi Sudrajat and Harsudiono Hartas met with Chairman of the PKPI Basofi Sudirman and Chairman of the PKPI National Campaign Hendropriyono. The two reported on some good news and bad news.

The good news is that the PKPI is doing better than expected. Having made some adjustments during the campaign, the PKPI now not only has Chairman of the DPR Harmoko going around trying to get the rural vote but also Minister of Agriculture Sarwono Kusumaatmadja mobilizing sago growers and sago plantation owners in Eastern Indonesia. Meanwhile Minister of Tourism Soeyono has also been going around to tourist destinations around Indonesia targeting voters from among those in the tourism industry.

The bad news is that the PKPI campaign is running out of money. Businessmen Sofyan Wanandi and Arifin Panigoro are still managing to mobilize funds for the PKPI from the business community but this is nothing compared to the funds mobilized by Tutut and her supporters.

“What’s the best way to counter this?” asked the President.

“By having you out and about campaigning, Mr. President”, replied Hendropriyono “They can buy more ads or hand out more merchandise but nothing beats you being out there, you’re still the best asset the PKPI has in this campaign.”

“He’s also a busy asset with real job”, countered Edi “Any hard evidence that the trips he’s made throughout the campaign so far has brought results?”

“We’ve gone from an outright victory for the PKPB in Central Java to a fighting chance since the President’s visit there in the first weekend of the campaign”, reported Basofi “And the President’s visits to North Sumatra and East Nusa Tenggara this week had secured both of those provinces for the PKPI.”

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As yesterday, 6 of the longbodied C-130 Hercules carrying 100 passengers each. ABRI Chief of General Staff Djaja Suparman pressed for the Hercules to make two round trips each day but the Air Force questioned whether it can keep the operation a secret if they flew during the day. ABRI Chief of Intelligence Ian Santoso Perdanakusuma said that whilst China is not aware of what’s going on, they still need to remain cautious.

4th May 2002 (Day 18 of the Election Campaign):
Very much in his capacity as a PKPI member, the President arrived at Tasikmalaya, West Java this morning. He attended a PKPI event held at the center of the city. There, the President opened a mini-badminton tournament held by the PKPI’s West Java Provincial Branch and played a short doubles game. The President’s doubles partner was none other than PKPI DPR Candidate Susi Susanti. After the short game, Susi Susanti said that she believes the President can make Indonesia into a “gold medalist nation” and calls upon voters to vote for the PKPI so that the PKPI can in turn vote for President Try at the 2003 MPR General Session.

At Tasikmalaya, the President also sat down and met with the PKPI’s DPR candidates for West Java. He told them that they have an important role because West Java is the province with the most DPR seats up for grabs with 68. The President remarked that the nation’s attention is on Central Java as the “battleground of all battleground provinces” but it might be that the election is won or lost in Central Java.

In a press conference at Jambi, Nahdlatul Ulama member Abu Hasan declares his support for Chairwoman of the PKPB Tutut Soeharto. Abu Hasan called upon those who had supported his bid for the Chairmanship of NU in the past to once again to support him on this venture. Sitting next to Abu Hasan at the press conference, Tutut said that Abu Hasan represents the best that NU has to offer.

When asked about her campaign adding a more religious tinge, Tutut said that she believes the PKPB are asking questions on the minds of many Indonesians. She points out that the government has shown its “allergy” to the term Sharia ever since the amendments to the Banking Law where it was doing “backflips” to avoid the term “Sharia banking”.

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The 6 longbodied C-130 Hercules are in action again with two of the aircrafts making a second trip during the night to pick up the evacuees.

5th May 2002 (Day 19 of the Election Campaign):
After spending the night in Tasikmalaya, the President arrived in Yogyakarta where he was welcomed by Chairman of Muhammadiyah Amien Rais.

The President’s first stop was at Karangkajen Islamic Cemetery. With Amien Rais by his side, the President first paid his respects at the tomb of KH Ahmad Dahlan, the founder of Muhammadiyah. He then also paid his respects at the tomb of Prof. Lafran Pane the founder of the Islamic Students’ Association (HMI). The immediate question the President faced was whether he was trying to get Muhammadiyah and HMI’s support for the PKPI ahead of the elections.

“The Government, the PKPI and myself are willing to work with whoever wants the best for the nation be they Muhammadiyah, HMI, or NU”, said the President “As for what I’m doing now, I’m just paying my respects.”

From the Karangkajen Islamic Cemetery, the President and his entourage went to Muhammadiyah’s offices where he met with Amien Rais. The President was accompanied by Edi and Harsudiono Hartas while Amien was accompanied by Secretary of Muhammadiyah Yahya Muhaimin.

The talk was pleasant with the President and Amien agreeing that Tutut is throwing everything she can at the current campaign. To which Harsudiono half-jokingly said that Amien should remember this fact when he’s dealing with the President in reference to his constant demands for more positions. More seriously, Amien said that the PPP is suffering most of the brunt from the PKPB trying to appeal more to religion and from information on the ground, it is looking like the PPP will lose rather than gain seats at the election. The President asked what would Amien’s advice be.

“Run interference on the PPP, Mr. President”, said Amien “And it’s not only because there’s a lot of Muhammadiyah members running for DPR with the PPP, but also because the PKPI needs a strong PPP. After all, the PKPI signed up for a coalition with the PPP because it knows it’s not going to get Golkar-level of votes.”

At the short press conference afterwards, the President and Amien said that they discussed various political matters. Amien said that Muhammadiyah will issue a statement regarding its stance in the election as the election approaches.

After resting at the Presidential Palace in Yogyakarta, the President and First Lady Tuti Setiawati was visited by Governor of Yogyakarta Sultan Hamengkubuwono X and State Minister of Poverty Reduction GKR Hemas. The two brought with them their eldest daughter and soon-to-be-son-in-law who came to ask for the President’s blessing and to invite them to their wedding at the end of the month.

While the First Lady gave a tour of the Presidential Place, the President talked with Hamengkubuwono. The latter spoke plainly about the PKPI’s prospects.

“Here in Yogyakarta it’s my authority versus the PKPB not wanting to lose in the province where President Soeharto was born” said Hamengkubuwono “Over in Central Java there’s the fact that the PKPB built a stronghold for itself whilst Prabowo was Governor of Central Java and the fact, every Province has its own story, its own dynamic…it will be a fight to the finish, Mr. President, no more Golkar-style walkovers.”

By the time the President and Hamengkubuwono finished talking. It was nearly evening and the President had a special dinner at the Presidential Palace for those who works or owns a business in Yogyakarta’s tourism industry. Owners and workers of hotels, restaurants, souvenir shops, and tourist attractions who happened to be off-duty at the time of the event. With Soeyono by his side, the President walked around and mingled with them. They told him stories about the amount of people that have come to Yogyakarta in the last few years whether to visit or to literally set up shop by opening a hotel or a restaurant here. When one restaurant owner promised to vote for the PKPI and mobilize her employees and suppliers to do the same, the President gave her a mischievous look.

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The 6 longbodied C-130 Hercules making its one round trip with 2 of those making a second round trip. There are also the arrivals of Kolinlamil’s KRI Tanjung Kambani as well as PT. Pelni’s KM Bukit Siguntang, and KM Umsini.

6th May 2002 (Day 20 of the Election Campaign):
There was a breakfast meeting to discuss the PNI campaign at Chairwoman of the PNI Megawati Soekarnoputri’s personal residence but not a lot was being eaten. Treasurer of the PNI Laksamana Sukardi reported that the PNI has round out of money. When Megawati asked what this means, Laksamana said that it means that the PNI Head Office can no longer subsidize anymore campaign activities by the PNI’s branches in the regions.

Taufiq Kiemas immediately recognized the look of despair appearing on his wife’s face. He could only tell himself that this was the downside of having activists and intellectuals as a party’s core constituents: not a whole lot of campaign funds.

“We must focus our resources on provinces where we will definitely win seats and cut our losses elsewhere”, said Chairman of the PNI National Campaign Sutjipto “And start thinking of what our strategy will be after the election and in the lead-up to the 2003 MPR Session.”

Elsewhere in Jakarta, the President spent all day at the Presidential Palace going through as much paperwork as possible, getting them out of the way so that he could go on the itinerary that Edi and Hendropriyono had prepared for him. There was a lot to be done but the President finished his paperwork.

Try watched the RCTI’s Layar Emas movies as Edi double-checked the paperwork Try had gone through and instructed a staff member to collect the paperwork from the President’s desk.

“What do you think of the PPP’s situation?” Try asked, his eyes on the television.

“I think we need to think about the PKPI first, Mr. President”, replied Edi “I’m not downplaying Matori or the PPP’s problems, it’s just that we need to take care of our problems first; make the trips, inaugurate projects, and strengthen our position going into the Election.”

Try nodded but did it in such a way that Edi made a mental note to ask Harsudiono that the latter touch base with Chairman of the PPP Matori Abdul Djalil.

On the television, the movie went to an ad break. The first ad was a PKPI ad featuring a group of PKPI DPR candidates talking about the PKPI’s values with a photograph of Try in the background. Try smiled at this. Then PKPB ads followed one after the other. There were three ads with three different messages all of which featured Tutut’s face front and center. Try’s smile became a frown and he changed the channel.

The television was now on Indosiar, a television network friendly towards the government. When it went to an ad break, there was a PKPI ad, a Hary Tanoesoedibjo financial planning ad, and the three PKPB ads. Try switched to Anteve and he began to despair, there was no PKPI ad on this channel but there were the three PKPB ads.

Edi gave Hendropriyono a call to ask what was going on.

“The President needs to get some rest, Mr. State Secretary, it will only exhaust him psychologically if he continues to watch”, said Hendropriyono “Those are three ads, in every ad break, during primetime, and across all of the television networks and as you can see already, we can’t match the resources being thrown at this campaign by the PKPB.”

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No C-130 Hercules flights as ABRI Headquarters decide to wait until the two Pelni ships and the Kolinlamil ship are maintained and ready to go again.
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Information on the Marsinah case may be found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsinah

A Chinthe is the Burmese word for Lion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinthe

Yes the evacuation is not running as fast as possible, there’s probably going to be a request for a sealift ship with a large capacity at the end of this.

OTL Abu Hasan ran for the Chairmanship of the Nahdlatul Ulama against Abdurrahman Wahid in 1994 and was seen to be the Soeharto Regime’s favored candidate for the job.

The founders of Muhammadiyah and HMI are buried in the same cemetery as in OTL https://news.detik.com/berita-jawa-...akam-kh-ahmad-dahlan-dan-lafran-pane-di-yogya

Fast approaching the final week of the campaign and we see the differing circumstances of the 4 political parties:

-The PPP, being the only remnant of the old political party system, takes its support for granted and is running a campaign on the basis of “Here’s our best chance to be a part of/continue being a part of the Government” but finds itself being abandoned by voters who are attracted by the PKPB’s “religious” image.

-The PNI is anti-establishment (by ITTL standards considering that there was no May 1998) by daring to bring up human rights violation case and promising real political change but it has run out of money.

-The PKPB is counting on appealing to rural voters to attract voters from the PKPI, playing the religion card to attract voters from the PPP, and throwing whole lot of Cendana Money at the Election Campaign.

-The PKPI is relying on being the party of incumbency, having the President, the Chairman of the DPR, and ministers running around campaigning for it even. At the same time, it can’t match the PKPB’s financial power.
 
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In OTL, Soeharto does not campaign overtly for Golkar during the New Order’s Legislative Elections but he would conveniently have a lot of projects he has to inaugurate during the Election Campaign period.
Becarefull of Bakso seller out there sir
 
Becarefull of Bakso seller out there sir
Edited so as not to draw attention from "Bakso sellers". It was a bit baseless of me to say that and the page I thought had the information did not back my argument as well as I thought. #wipeskeringatdingin

Hopefully this TL remains obscure and under the radar though much thanks to the 80k or so readers and repeat readers who have visited this TL. My first year here it took forever to get to even 5,000 readers.
 
Edited so as not to draw attention from "Bakso sellers". It was a bit baseless of me to say that and the page I thought had the information did not back my argument as well as I thought. #wipeskeringatdingin

Hopefully this TL remains obscure and under the radar though much thanks to the 80k or so readers and repeat readers who have visited this TL. My first year here it took forever to get to even 5,000 readers.
I heard they no longer disguise themselves as bakso / nasi goreng carts. Nowadays it's Gojek/Grab couriers, a lot more flexible in where they can go yet people don't question them nongkrong anywhere.

Also, "Treasurer of the PNI Laksamana Sukardi reported that the PNI has round out of money. "
 
Hello thread followers. Had a busy week leading up to Christmas and then moving along to holiday. I’ve got half an update written but its some kilometers away at home.

@GSD310 are we going to see Ukraine remain Russian-aligned and then join the Eurasian Economic Union and maybe even CSTO?

Ukraine’s going to get a section the next time we go around the world in the TL. As it hasn’t featured yet, we’ll go earlier than where we are at first. Approaching the Presidential Election, with Primakov not yet president but looming on the horizon, and maybe just maybe the Kaniv Four being able to decide who among them will run against Kuchma.

This is an OTL-related question, regarding Russia and Belarus, why did their proposed union go cold when Putin came to power?
 
This is an OTL-related question, regarding Russia and Belarus, why did their proposed union go cold when Putin came to power?
Oversimplifying in OTL Putin wanted Belarus to join Russia as a normal republic like the Sakha Republic or the Chechen Republic, while Lukashenko was adamant in his position that some sort of special privilege be made for the Belarusians (Lukashenko initially wanted to directly succeed Yeltsin and become the president of the Union but when Putin became president he scaled back his demands). The 1998 economic crisis also hurt the prospect of a union since it made the Russian economic look weak.

Now in TTL, the Russian economy did not suffer as much as in OTL and with a more "diplomatic" Primakov as President I can see an agreement being reached with Lukashenko making Belarus a devolved state in Russia in which the President of Belarus and the Belarus National Assembly have the ability to veto any decisions regarding Belarus not within the spheres of foreign policy, the state economy and military if it does not have the support of a consistent majority the Russian Duma.
 
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